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Re: Still a crappy site, nonetheless.
Posted by Cassima on 1/12/06

    I read through that load of crap all ready. I find ParrotUniversity to be
    very informative, however neglectful in how they use their research. All
    that crap is about parrots in a wild-type environment, not a pet in a
    home. There is a heap more trouble hanging in the wake when you have a
    flighted Goffin Cockatoo that intimidates or kills other birds but loves
    humans.

    "Birds in a natural situstion rarely get into a fight..."

    Duh. The home is not one of your "natural" situations like your aviaries.
    I'm not sure where you have done your research, but fights happen more
    often then not. There are also some breeds of birds that cannot be out
    together at all, and some birds that are VERY protective of their cage.
    Have you ever had a Lovebird? Not only would a Lovebird take off toes
    through the top of it's cage if had given the chance, but some have
    issues when they are not the only bird. This site rather underestimates
    the bullish ways of some birds.

    Do different species birds in this website's aviary interact? If no,
    there is no room to talk. This research does not evern suggest that they
    should not. Even both my Cockatiels have their "King of the Perch"
    disagreements every once in a while, but I do not allow it to turn ugly,
    like it can possibly come to. My Parakeets, however, are very agressive
    and try to pull out tail feathers and butt my Cockatiels, and each other,
    off the top of the cages.

    My fiance's sister-in-law has Lovebirds, and two of the four are known to
    try to pull at other birds THROUGH the cage bars. Hence why all of her
    birds are clipped- so they don't land on each other's cages and possibly
    lose a toe or two.

    "You must watch a flightless bird very closely because they often end up
    on the floor and become the dogs next treat."

    If the owner take the initutive to teach them to stay off the floor, or
    watch where they walk, then you would not have to take this lazy approach.

    "A parrot that does not develop properly will be a retarded adult..."

    Where do you get your information? One of my freinds owns an African Grey
    that knows numbers to 5, comprehends most anything you talk to it about,
    actually asks questions like "What is...?" asking for explaination and
    can sing the first couple verses of "Beat it" by Micheal Jackson. Can
    yours?

    Come on, Patsy. This is rediculous. There are more cons then pros in
    flight. There is not any ignorance in keeping your birds safe, but there
    is in thinking they will never get hurt, in which there are more ways of
    dying in flight or en route to land then there are "mental illnesses".

    And, DUH!
    > "if a flighted bird flies out the window or door it is the owners
    > fault for not keeping track of them"

    It's ALWAYS the owners fault if something happends. Keeping your birds
    flighted and not telling them the REAL dangers keeping them this way,
    almost making it look PERFERABLE, is the perfect way to allow this
    passive-agressive way to keep your bird entertained be acceptable.

    And you call it "cripple". This is such a sensitive term on your part.

    I guess from a buisness standpoint, if they lose one bird to flying,
    rather it be death in the home or flying away outside, this aviary will
    always be there to provide them with another bird :)

    .o0(I thought I already established I care -not- for this site...)

    Your re-referance to this article is not helping this case. This is the
    crappiest biz of info I have ever seen that will not EVER apply to the
    common home. Find some other information that is relevant to the
    traditional bird home, then we'll talk about why I SHOULD do it rather
    then keeping my Cockatiels and Parakeets safe.

    Not covinced yet.

    On 1/12/06, Patsy wrote:
    > The reason for flight is a Happier and Healthier bird. All of the
    > benefits of flight well outweigh any cons. If you choose to ignore
    > them, that's your prerogative.
    >
    > I could take cassima's attitude and say, if a flighted bird flies out
    > the window or door it is the owners fault for not keeping track of them
    > but the truth is there are hazards birds face whether they are clipped
    > or can fly. It is ALWAYS the owners responsibility to keep them same.
    > However I will refer back to this articles for anyone who wants to talk
    > about specific dangers for flighted birds. It is well shower more
    > dangers are lurking for birds that cannot fly.
    > http://theparrotuniversity.com/articles/flightedparrots.html
    >
    >
    > The point here is keeping an animal or child safe does not give you the
    > right to cripple them.

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