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Re: Why you shouldn't wing clip/Some rebuttal
Posted by Maui on 6/01/05

    It really does depend on your household conditions, like
    Rachel said. I clip my bird's wings because he is very
    attracted to reflective or shiny things and has a tendency to
    fly into windows and mirrors. I clip his wings so he won't
    crash into something and hurt himself. Also if he ever was to
    get out it would be easier to get him back if he couldn't fly
    away. I don't clip his wings too short, just short enough so
    he can't fly long distances. I'm not saying it's bad not to
    clip wings, but to for me clipping is safer. And also, I don't
    think you could consider wing clipping a "mutilation" because
    feathers do grow back.

    Maui
    On 6/01/05, Rachel B wrote:
    > On 6/01/05, Emma wrote:
    > (snip)
    >> Why oh why must people wing-clip. I really cannot
    >> convey my hatred of this practice.
    >
    > In an earlier post, you listed a number of reasons which, to
    > your mind, do not constitute good cause for wing clipping.
    > May I point out that every household is different? and we do
    > our best under whatever conditions the prevailing ones may
    > be. For example, a home which contains young children or
    > four or five kids or youths under the age of 20 would be
    MUCH
    > more likely to have windows or doors occasionally left open,
    > no matter how stringent the training (of the children) may
    > have been. Friends come to visit from time to time as
    well.
    > We always keep the bathroom doors shut--but not everyone
    does
    > so, and I don't want to lose my cherished pet because
    someone
    > wasn't listening to the lecture.
    >
    > My CAG is wing clipped specifically because I cannot trust
    > him not to loft himself off his "out" perch and come flying
    > straight to me (as he did several times before I reluctantly
    > clipped his wings, back when I first brought him home).
    Many
    > times, some of his "out time" coincides with my working in
    > the kitchen. I don't want a bird landing in my biscuit
    > rolling or my French toast preparation. I will not have my
    > parrot immolate himself by falling into the saucepan, or
    > stewpot, or the Dutch oven where I am cooking French fried
    > potatoes at 375 degrees Fahrenheit (that's around 191
    Celsius
    > for anyone who's doing metric.) Why don't I keep him in his
    > cage while I'm cooking, you ask? Well, actually, when
    > cooking at HIGH temps on the stovetop, I do; but the rest of
    > the time he'd be very unhappy being in his cage during the
    > times I am home, when the rest of the family, including the
    > dog, is in the kitchen or living room adjacent to his
    perch.
    > I can and do carry him on my shoulder at times while working
    > in the kitchen, but it isn't always convenient, or sanitary,
    > to have him there. Besides, he needs playtime on his perch,
    > not just being velcroed to me.
    >
    > Households vary. I keep Ash clipped for his own safety.
    > Living in our homes--fed, coddled, cared for, played with
    and
    > medically attended to--comes at a price, and there are some
    > things I choose to do to keep him healthy and well. He is a
    > very strong flier as it is; I would not be able to keep him
    > safe if he were not clipped. If he hadn't come to me, he'd
    > have gone to someone who maybe wouldn't care for him as I
    do;
    > not being hatched in captivity was not ever an option.
    >
    > Now tell me how wrong it is to have my dog neutered and my
    > cat spayed and that they should be free to make their own
    > choices. Our pets CANNOT choose some things for themselves;
    > we have already made that decision for them by choosing to
    > keep them in our homes. For those who can manage it, free
    > flight and not clipping wings is a wonderful ideal;
    encourage
    > to your heart's content. Some of us cannot do it safely,
    and
    > it is irresponsible to issue a blanket statement along the
    > lines of "wing clipping is mutilation and always wrong" when
    > it is not true.
    >
    > Rachel B.

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