On 11/03/05, Michael L wrote:
> On 11/02/05, Kel wrote:
> I was also interesed in what she and Michael had to say about how
>> it works on humans, especially cold sores and nails etc. I would not treat a
>> bird, however I would treat myself.
> My experience with GSE has been positive. I would not hesitate to tell you to
> feel comfortable with using it on your birds. As Karen mentioned, it doesn't do
> the harm that some would have you believe and it certainly is not a panacea for
> all ailments.
> In regards to the Klebsiella bacteria that Paul mentioned, many years ago I had
> some finches imported from Belgium. Three of them were affected with this
> bacteria. I wouldn't have thought to use GSE as, after many vet visits and two
> powerful antibiotics over the course of months, it finally was eliminated. GSE
> would not have been able to touch something this severe.
> I use mine in the water when I soak seed and use it to disinfect sprouts. You
> can add a drop to the drinking water of birds to keep bacteria at bay in the
> water dish. I've not had the problem, but I have breeder friends that have used
> it in mild cases of yeast infections in birds that are being hand fed.
> I've not used it for cleaning as I think it would take an exorbitant amount to
> make it effective when doing such a large task.
> I've also used it to clean hand feeding spoons and thermometers, etc.
> As far as my personal use, I had a fungal infection under a fingernail. My
> doctor actually told me to soak my finger in vinegar for 10 minute intervals
> twice a day. He said that that was effective and less harmful than the drugs
> that are used to tret this condition. Rather than doing that, I rubbed the GSE
> directly on to the fingernail two or three times a day. It took a while, but
> fungus was eliminated.
> Do I think that GSE is the end-all-be-all. No. But I do believe that it has a
> valid position in bird/animal keeping.
> I have a progressive avain vet that is always willing to listen to what I have
> say and we discuss theories and options for using products such as this. Not all
> vets might be so engaging so if you do seek the advice of your vet, be prepared
> for the posdsiblility that he may not endorse something like this.
> Michael L
Thank you for your words of wisdom! I just might use a drop in the water dish it
seems a logical thing to do. It is also a good idea to disinfect the sprouts
with. I too have a progressive avian vet who is willing to listen, I got lucky.
As for treating birds for health problems I'm not comfortable with doing this,
thus a vet visit. What I did do is look up what it can do for humans and it seems
a wonderful thing. As for the bacterias and such, I've never come across ever
having a bird with problems (health) that I know of. But then again, I have only
had pet birds, never large aviaries, breeders etc, so I don't know if there is a
differenct. Don't get me wrong these birds haven't always been perfect we've had
our fair share of issues but none where we needed medication. I am glad you are
honest in your thoughts and feel safe if I were to use a little bit with the
water, if you do it then I can too :)
Thank you very much for your post.... feel free to give me all the advise you