Re: ---the company makeing the $$---
Posted by Elizabeth on 4/09/06
Not being naive, you seem to think that the only way is your way. My avain vet
said that no way should this product be used, not safe! That this product is a
HUGE HAZARD to any birds health. That the chemicals present in the product are
not safe! Not for birds, which is what it is being marketed too.
We buy special cages that have bird safe paint, prepare meals for them, take
them to expensive avian "doctors" for their health, seems that not using ONE
product to safeguard their health would make sense too. But hey that is just me,
putting my flock at risk is simply something I will not do. If you feel the need
to expose yours well....that is out of my hands. If you want to risk your birds
then go for it...but it is NOT something I would ever do. And the aloe remark,
at least it would be a safe product! that works.
Too many people are out their selling products that aren''t safe, from toys to
cages because they sell! Their is NOT the same level of testing as their is with
Other people should know what TOXINS they are letting their birds EAT because
feather pluckers etc do preen their feathers and digest those harmful
products....This isn't something that just sits harmlessly on the feathers, when
any birds preens it is INGESTED. The 'belladonna' is NOT SAFE TO BE INGESTED.
BTW- Not unfounded half truths...if it isn't safe why would you WILLINGLY expose
anything to a product when a SAFE solution exist? It is like cutting of a body
part because it had a cut, instead of fixing and treating the cut you just saw
the damn thing off.
On 4/08/06, Michael L wrote:
> On 4/08/06, Elizabeth wrote:
>> BYT; 'belladonna' is not safe for anything.
> It's this type of thinking that starts the bizarre and unfounded half-truths
> that keep agriculturists in the dark. As I said in my previous posting, some
> herbs or plants, which would be deadly to humans or species-specific animals,
> have little of no effect whatsoever on others.
> To blanket the statement that it is a poison and has no redeeming value is
> "Its deadly character is due to the presence of an alkaloid, Atropine, 1/10
> grain of which swallowed by a man has occasioned symptoms of poisoning. As
> every part of the plant is extremely poisonous, neither leaves, berries, nor
> root should be handled if there are any cuts or abrasions on the hands. The
> root is the most poisonous, the leaves and flowers less so, and the berries,
> except to children, least of all. It is said that an adult may eat two or
> berries without injury, but dangerous symptoms appear if more are taken, and
> is wiser not to attempt the experiment. Though so powerful in its action on
> human body, the plant seems to affect some of the lower animals but little.
> Eight pounds of the herb are said to have been eaten by a horse without
> any injury, and an ass swallowed 1 lb. of the ripe berries without any bad
> results following. Rabbits, sheep, goats and swine eat the leaves with
> impunity, and birds often eat the seeds without any apparent effect, but cats
> and dogs are very susceptible to the poison."
> And let's not discount it's medicinal properties...
> ---Medicinal Action and Uses---Narcotic, diuretic, sedative, antispasmodic,
> mydriatic. Belladonna is a most valuable plant in the treatment of eye
> diseases, Atropine, obtained during extraction, being its most important
> constituent on account of its power of dilating the pupil.
> The various preparations of Belladonna have many uses. Locally applied, it
> lessens irritability and pain, and is used as a lotion, plaster or liniment in
> cases of neuralgia, gout, rheumatism and sciatica. As a drug, it specially
> affects the brain and the bladder. It is used to check excessive secretions
> to allay inflammation and to check the sweating of phthisis and other
> exhausting diseases.
> Small doses allay cardiac palpitation, and the plaster is applied to the
> cardiac region for the same purpose, removing pain and distress.
> Yes, Elizabeth, you can mix your aloe potion and bottle it and do whatever you
> like with it. But remember that there is benefit and merit to be had beyond
> simplistic and naive ways of thinking, whether any of us agree with it or not.
> Michael L