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Re: Two Sides to Every Story
Posted by Evelyn on 4/09/06

Well said, Michael. We would all do well to remember that as a general
rule.

On 4/08/06, Michael L wrote:
> I have not used the Pluck No More Product, and am a great proponent of
> Aloe Vera juice. That being said, I do believe that the questioning and
> somewhat uninformed, deserve to at least know that there are those that
> do endorse this product and seemingly have had good results.
> What is also interesting is that "Bord Certified Avian Veterinarians,"
> which is the cornerstone of core beliefs and mantra for many Birdmart
> advisor's, might find their testimonials somewhat convincing. In
> addition, they even provide their phone numbers, web sites and veterinary
> office names.
> This product is also FDA registered which is more than can be said for
> most products that we use on our birds.
> All of the supposedly "harmful" herbs being used in this product are in a
> beneficial amount/ratio that can have a positive effect rather than
> negative on the bird.
> To make this somewhat easier to understand, I'll use a dog for example.
> Arsenic is both toxic and lethal, but when a dog contracts heart worm,
> the treatment of choice is arsenic. It is used in controlled amounts and
> is administered in a manner that kills or eradicates the heart worm, but
> doesn't destroy the host which is the dog.
> So too can many of these toxic herbs prove beneficial rather than
> detrimental to the plucking bird.
> As in everything, we all have the ability and right to choose what we
> consider appropriate for use on any animal entrusted to our care. But we
> should also consider that there are products that have potential to
> possibly help some animals, even though we might find the ingredients
> unorthodox or harmful, due to ignorance and hearsay.
> Certainly there is always the possibility that there will be isolated
> cases where an animal has had a negative reaction to a drug or adverse
> reaction, but this is also true in humans. It's know as
> hypersensitivity, but that doesn't mean that a product shouldn't be used
> or tried because of an isolated case.
> Make wise and educated choices, but do it when you have factual
> information rather than hearsay and hypothesis.
>
> Michael L
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>
> Hear what Sam Vaughn, DVM Avian Diplomate ABVP,
> Board Certified Avian Veterinarian has to say!!
>
> VETERINARY ASSOCIATES-STONEFIELD
> 203 Moser Road
> Louisville, KY 40223
> (502) 245-7863
> www.vetcity.com Sam Vaughn, DVM
> Avian Diplomate ABVP
> Kurt Oliver, DVM
> Karen Lazas, DVM
>
>
> May 31, 2005
> RE: Safety and Efficacy of Pluck No More
>
> Dear Richard:
>
> I was at first skeptical about your product, especially its safety.
> Therefore, as I always do, I decided to try your product on my own birds,
> and a few special clients' birds.
>
> I warned these clients that this was probably another "snake oil" that
> would do nothing for their birds plucking but it seemed safe enough as
> per the label's contents. After all we bird vets have been stumped by
> feather picking for 40 years, so we would never want to admit that a
> layperson provided a cure that we could not. I am of the reverse
> philosophy. Anybody give me anything that is safe to help these birds and
> I will rejoice in using it!
>
> I am attaching a Complete Blood Count, Chemistry Panel, and Serum
> Electrophoresis of an African Grey who was nearly bald in January of
> 2005. The bird was wearing an E-collar and had not responded to any of
> our conventional treatments for chronic feather picking. He was living a
> miserable existence as most collared birds do in my opinion.
>
> We started Mufasa on Pluck No More on January 25, 2005. The collar came
> off within two weeks.
>
> The only abnormality is a low protein which is really normal because I
> had the owner hold this bird off of food before my visit. He was without
> food for over 8 hours, thus his blood protein should be expected to be
> low.
>
> While I have no photos of Mufasa, he is nearly totally feathered after
> four months on your product.
>
> I will be forwarding you photos of my own featherpicker, Stevie, an
> Umbrella Cockatoo, four weeks on your product and she now has tail
> feathers for the first time in four years!
>
> Her bloodwork is pending also, hopefully these normal biochemistries of
> birds on your product will quiet the naysayers on the internet bird
> boards who say your product is dangerous. Pluck No More has not harmed my
> bird, or Mufasa the African Grey and I have proven that scientifically.
>
> Update - 6/1/05
> Complete Blood Count and Biochemistry Analysis of my own Cockatoo Stevie.
> She has been on Pluck No More since 4/2/05 - All labs normal and first
> normal tail feathers in 2-3 years.
>
> Samuel B. Vaughn, DVM, Avian Diplomate, ABVP, Veterinary Associates-
> Stonefield, Louisville, KY. www.vetcity.com 05/31/05
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Hear what Greg Burkett, DVM Avian Diplomate ABVP,
> Board Certified Avian Veterinarian has to say!!
>
> "As a practicing specialist in avian medicine, I see many cases of
> feather damaging behavior, which can be a difficult syndrome to diagnose
> and treat. Pluck-No-More has given relief to this problem for many of my
> clients and patients. I am impressed with the performance of Pluck-No-
> More. It has successfully stopped feather damaging behavior in several of
> my patients. If your bird is a feather plucker, chewer or otherwise
> destroys its feathers, you owe it to your bird and yourself to try Pluck-
> No-More. This product is not a replacement for proper veterinary care."
>
> Greg Burkett DVM, Avian Diplomate ABVP, Board Certified Avian
> Veterinarian, Durham, NC. www.birdieboutique.com 06/07/05
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Posts on this thread, including this one

• Pluck No More, 4/07/06, by Dawn.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/07/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Pluck No More/Elizabeth, 4/07/06, by Wondering.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/07/06, by Meeko's Mom.
• Re: Pluck No More/Dawn, 4/08/06, by Debby.
• Re: Pluck no more, "dose"/toxins, 4/08/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Pluck no more, "dose"/toxins, list of ickies, 4/08/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Pluck no more, "dose"/toxins, list of ickies, 4/08/06, by Cindy A.
• Re: Pluck no more, "dose"/toxins, list of ickies, 4/08/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Two Sides to Every Story, 4/08/06, by Michael L.
• Re: Two Sides to Every Story, for the company makeing the $$, 4/08/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/08/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/08/06, by Michael L.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/09/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/09/06, by testing and human conusumption.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/09/06, by Michael L.
• Re: ---the company makeing the $$---, 4/09/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Two Sides to Every Story, 4/09/06, by Evelyn.
• Re: Two Sides to Every Story, 4/09/06, by Evelyn.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/10/06, by Dawn.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/11/06, by Elizabeth.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/12/06, by Dawn.
• Re: Pluck No More, 4/15/06, by elizabeth.