Re: goffin Cockatoos /BOA (Beggar of Attention)
Posted by Sue on 8/15/06
On 8/15/06, Sonoma wrote:
> On 8/15/06, Tammy Faye wrote:
>> what Fran has
>> said is legitimate and very real in the world of birds.
> And you expect me to take her point of view more seriously simply
> because you say so? What I have said is that I do not agree with
> Fran's idea about weaning regression no matter how many people
> agree with her. The evidence you have presented simply does not
> meet the criteria threshold that I demand to change my opinion on
> the subject. Sorry.
> Weaning regression is a load of crap. That is my opinion. Someone
> else may agree with me and others may disagree. It is not a crime
> to disagree with someone, you know?
> You will have the choice of either reading what I write or
> ignoring what I write. Either way, I may disagree with any opinion
> if I choose to do so.
>> Feel free, at any time, to jump right in and tell us of your
>> knowledge and EXPERIENCE when it comes to hand feeding and
>> raising birds.
> I have no need to prove anything to you nor anyone else in order
> to have a valid opinion on any subject. Birds are able to breed on
> their own and the act of "breeding" birds is a superfluous act
> unless you are introducing some different strain to effect the
> offspring in such a way as to cause an improvement in color,
> disease resistance, or some other desired outcome such as breeding
> a rare or endangered species that is having trouble breeding in
> the wild due to habitat destruction. Just placing birds in proper
> breeding environments is not such a highly skilled thing nor does
> it have any significance to ME in regards to knowledge much above
> the average bird owner.
>> When you are potty training or weaning a child from using a
>> bottle or wearing a diaper, you don't decide that on a certain
>> day the diaper will come off and the bottle will be put away
>> whether or not the child is capable of handling the termination
>> of either of these things.
> Well if you don't at some point, you will raise a very disturbed
> child (in my opinion). Once the child is capable of feeding itself
> and is potty trained there should be no regression to infant
> behavior. To do so can seriously undermine the child's development.
> It happens, sure. That is one reason there is the need for
> psychiatrists in the society. That is also one reason (in my
> opinion) for their being many birds who pluck, especially
> To observe this idea in action, all one has to do is go to a pet
> store and pickup a Goffin or any other Cockatoo and discover the
> animal will allow hands all over its body with hardly no
> introductory period involved. When one tries to handle other birds
> in that manner that do not know the person, it usually involves a
> bit of spilled blood of the handler depending on the bird's size
> and the handler's actions to win the trust of that particular bird
> before approaching it.
> That is what is called empirical evidence in science circles. It
> always works that way and it will work that way for anybody. It is
> not affected by the handler being an experienced bird breeder or
> someone who has never actually touched a bird before with their
> own hands. it happens because that is the way Cockatoos are.
>> ...Much like children who develop and different rates and "wean"
>> themselves when the time is right, so too do baby birds.
> They may develop at different times according to age, but once
> weaned, regression is not a good idea (again - in my opinion).
>> Until you speak from experience and not out of your rear end,
>> please refrain from commenting on thing that you obviously are
>> ignorant to the fact or you can't find in your Wikipedia on-line
>> Ms. Baker
> I do speak from experience. I have more than sixty years
> experience. Experience does not have to be specific in order to
> draw conclusions. Since you like analogies as well, here is one
> for you on the point of experience....
> If you are told as a child a stove is hot and it will be painful
> if you touch it with your bare hands, you might very well touch it
> anyway to see if that is true. It does not take long to learn that
> when a person much older than you and a parent tells you such
> things, it is likely to be true.
> When that same parent tells you to look both ways before you cross
> a road because an oncoming car can kill you accidentally, you are
> not likely at that stage of development (old enough to cross a
> highway on your own) to test that premise by dashing out into
> traffic to see if it will indeed kill you or not. You have learned
> to believe in certain things and certain people.
> As you become a mature adult, you have no reasons to doubt things
> that you read if the source is known to not only be trustworthy
> but correlates to other things you have experienced and know to be
> true. At some point in life (if you are a thinking individual) you
> tend to even expand that experience into such things as abstract
> concepts and philosophies. At this point in development, it is
> valid for you to state your opinions and beliefs and conclusions
> on any subject.
> Unless there is significant evidence to point to your having
> misunderstood on a wide variety of topics and experience during
> your lifetime, then it is unlikely you will change your mind.
> And thank you for reading the Ex oticbirds.US/forum/ as a guest.
> You have admitted it by using my favorite nickname of "BOA" as
> that is the only known place I currently post that nickname as I
> recall. Feel free to join there as a member if you find it
> interesting. You should be aware, though, that you must behave as
> that is a moderated and friendly forum. Doing things like
> insulting people by turning their nickname into something the
> acronym does not stand for will most likely not be tolerated by
> the webmaster there but you can test his judgment there if you
> Tammy Faye Baker. Ha! Now that I find very humorous. Good one. I
> can just see the mascara flowing down your cheeks in my mind. BTW,
> it is spelled Tammy Faye Bakker. Has PTL gone Buddhist now? :)
I also own a goffins and several other cockatoos-they are very needy
birds. But if this baby is begging, it certainly wouldn't hurt to
give it something warm like hot monkey biscuits or formula. It may
be going through an adjusting period. I hope I spelled all of the
words correctly and my grammar was okay--I guess I'll find out if I