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Re: goffin Cockatoos /BOA (Beggar of Attention)

Posted by pauljr on 8/16/06
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    On 8/15/06, Sue wrote:
    > On 8/15/06, Sonoma wrote:
    >> On 8/15/06, Tammy Faye wrote:
    >>> what Fran has
    >>> said is legitimate and very real in the world of birds.
    >>
    >> And you expect me to take her point of view more seriously simply
    >> because you say so? What I have said is that I do not agree with
    >> Fran's idea about weaning regression no matter how many people
    >> agree with her. The evidence you have presented simply does not
    >> meet the criteria threshold that I demand to change my opinion on
    >> the subject. Sorry.
    >>
    >> Weaning regression is a load of crap. That is my opinion. Someone
    >> else may agree with me and others may disagree. It is not a crime
    >> to disagree with someone, you know?
    >>
    >> You will have the choice of either reading what I write or
    >> ignoring what I write. Either way, I may disagree with any opinion
    >> if I choose to do so.
    >>
    >>> Feel free, at any time, to jump right in and tell us of your
    >> vast
    >>> knowledge and EXPERIENCE when it comes to hand feeding and
    >>> raising birds.
    >>
    >> I have no need to prove anything to you nor anyone else in order
    >> to have a valid opinion on any subject. Birds are able to breed on
    >> their own and the act of "breeding" birds is a superfluous act
    >> unless you are introducing some different strain to effect the
    >> offspring in such a way as to cause an improvement in color,
    >> disease resistance, or some other desired outcome such as breeding
    >> a rare or endangered species that is having trouble breeding in
    >> the wild due to habitat destruction. Just placing birds in proper
    >> breeding environments is not such a highly skilled thing nor does
    >> it have any significance to ME in regards to knowledge much above
    >> the average bird owner.
    >>
    >>> When you are potty training or weaning a child from using a
    >>> bottle or wearing a diaper, you don't decide that on a certain
    >>> day the diaper will come off and the bottle will be put away
    >>> whether or not the child is capable of handling the termination
    >>> of either of these things.
    >>
    >> Well if you don't at some point, you will raise a very disturbed
    >> child (in my opinion). Once the child is capable of feeding itself
    >> and is potty trained there should be no regression to infant
    >> behavior. To do so can seriously undermine the child's development.
    >>
    >> It happens, sure. That is one reason there is the need for
    >> psychiatrists in the society. That is also one reason (in my
    >> opinion) for their being many birds who pluck, especially
    >> Cockatoos.
    >>
    >> To observe this idea in action, all one has to do is go to a pet
    >> store and pickup a Goffin or any other Cockatoo and discover the
    >> animal will allow hands all over its body with hardly no
    >> introductory period involved. When one tries to handle other birds
    >> in that manner that do not know the person, it usually involves a
    >> bit of spilled blood of the handler depending on the bird's size
    >> and the handler's actions to win the trust of that particular bird
    >> before approaching it.
    >>
    >> That is what is called empirical evidence in science circles. It
    >> always works that way and it will work that way for anybody. It is
    >> not affected by the handler being an experienced bird breeder or
    >> someone who has never actually touched a bird before with their
    >> own hands. it happens because that is the way Cockatoos are.
    >>
    >>> ...Much like children who develop and different rates and "wean"
    >>> themselves when the time is right, so too do baby birds.
    >>
    >> They may develop at different times according to age, but once
    >> weaned, regression is not a good idea (again - in my opinion).
    >>
    >>> Until you speak from experience and not out of your rear end,
    >>> please refrain from commenting on thing that you obviously are
    >>> ignorant to the fact or you can't find in your Wikipedia on-line
    >>> encyclopedia.
    >>>
    >>> Ms. Baker
    >>
    >> I do speak from experience. I have more than sixty years
    >> experience. Experience does not have to be specific in order to
    >> draw conclusions. Since you like analogies as well, here is one
    >> for you on the point of experience....
    >>
    >> If you are told as a child a stove is hot and it will be painful
    >> if you touch it with your bare hands, you might very well touch it
    >> anyway to see if that is true. It does not take long to learn that
    >> when a person much older than you and a parent tells you such
    >> things, it is likely to be true.
    >>
    >> When that same parent tells you to look both ways before you cross
    >> a road because an oncoming car can kill you accidentally, you are
    >> not likely at that stage of development (old enough to cross a
    >> highway on your own) to test that premise by dashing out into
    >> traffic to see if it will indeed kill you or not. You have learned
    >> to believe in certain things and certain people.
    >>
    >> As you become a mature adult, you have no reasons to doubt things
    >> that you read if the source is known to not only be trustworthy
    >> but correlates to other things you have experienced and know to be
    >> true. At some point in life (if you are a thinking individual) you
    >> tend to even expand that experience into such things as abstract
    >> concepts and philosophies. At this point in development, it is
    >> valid for you to state your opinions and beliefs and conclusions
    >> on any subject.
    >>
    >> Unless there is significant evidence to point to your having
    >> misunderstood on a wide variety of topics and experience during
    >> your lifetime, then it is unlikely you will change your mind.
    >>
    >> And thank you for reading the Ex oticbirds.US/forum/ as a guest.
    >> You have admitted it by using my favorite nickname of "BOA" as
    >> that is the only known place I currently post that nickname as I
    >> recall. Feel free to join there as a member if you find it
    >> interesting. You should be aware, though, that you must behave as
    >> that is a moderated and friendly forum. Doing things like
    >> insulting people by turning their nickname into something the
    >> acronym does not stand for will most likely not be tolerated by
    >> the webmaster there but you can test his judgment there if you
    >> like.
    >>
    >> Tammy Faye Baker. Ha! Now that I find very humorous. Good one. I
    >> can just see the mascara flowing down your cheeks in my mind. BTW,
    >> it is spelled Tammy Faye Bakker. Has PTL gone Buddhist now? :)
    >
    > I also own a goffins and several other cockatoos-they are very needy
    > birds. But if this baby is begging, it certainly wouldn't hurt to
    > give it something warm like hot monkey biscuits or formula. It may
    > be going through an adjusting period. I hope I spelled all of the
    > words correctly and my grammar was okay--I guess I'll find out if I
    > didn't....


    The Goffin Cockatoo is nortorious for refering back after weaned
    when moved to a differant home or setting. This particular species
    can fool a breeder thinking he is weaned. What will help this
    situation is allowing to fledge and try to keep the bird in a similar
    setting like cage color and size.

    Pauljr