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Re: Too Possessive Umbrella

Posted by Rick on 5/24/09
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    Yes, Mytoos members are / can be very aggressive and opinionating to
    say the least. Sometimes a little more than I like, but they truly
    have the birds welfare as top priority there.

    As I sit here reading your comments, I am having flashbacks when the
    LSC was with us. It was a roller coaster of emotions at times, to say
    the least. The other person in our house was bitten / attacked 4 times
    in the first week. In order to give the bird the out of cage time it
    needed got to be a endless chore. When I was the only person home was
    he allowed out with no concerns. The tension was building within the
    household, and keeping others out of harms way, always being on guard.
    Needless to say, this bird wasn't welcomed with open arms by all. We
    spoke with a Bird Behaviorist from Chicago and did receive some
    helpful tips, but by this time others were not as enthused as I to
    help turn this bird around. In fact, I had to place the bird in an
    area where no one would pass in front of or near to avoid the
    pouncing. But we learned that this bird needed only to be around 1
    person, therefore when he was placed, he went to a single individual.

    I commend you for sticking it out. This behavior can be very
    frightening. You don't expect to be chased through your house by a
    blood thirsty Vulture.

    One of the techniques we used via the behaviorist was to let the
    person getting attacked have more contact with the bird than yourself.
    Give the treats, taking out of cage and interacting more with him. You
    on the other hand would limit your contact with bird, only to put the
    bird in it's cage at night and an occasional interaction. The
    justification behind this is to let the bird see the other person as a
    "good person" and not as a threat to him.
    This did seem to work for us.

    We also found out that our LSC was suffering from separation
    anxieties. So I would also suggest limiting your travel time for now.
    Let your bird have his alone time. Your bird needs to not be allowed
    to have separation anxiety issues. Remember, the more attention you
    give them turns into little monsters in the long run. Let the training
    begin with you and your hubby and then progress with the kids. I know
    there is so much to tell you, I hoped this has helped shed some light
    on your situation. Best of luck. Please keep me posted.

    Thanks, Rick

    On 5/24/09, Shawnee wrote:
    > Thanks Rick, I appreciate you taking the time. I have talked
    > with the 'rescue' who i got him from and she is refusing to refund
    > any money to me at this time but has offered another bird. I am
    > not as interested in another bird, i really want to find a way to
    > see what can be done with this guy.
    >
    > I know they are noisy and cranky, i knew all of this before
    > getting him. The noise and all really does not bother me. I have
    > had toos before and dealt with many. Always had great
    > relationships with them. this guy has definately chosen me and
    > although I do avoid all behaviors on my part, he does think i am
    > his mate. I avoid petting in the wrong places and affection is
    > something he gets alot of, when i initiate it. I have
    > been 'standing guard' while others are near him and that seems to
    > be working a little. He has drawn blood from mny husband's face
    > when the bird lunged at him but he needs to be able to at least be
    > able to be moved from place to place from someone other than me.
    > We both work from home so the bird is getting plenty of
    > companionship. he travels with us in our vehicle and is in sight
    > of us most of the day. when he first came here, he slept in a
    > smaller cage at night in our bedroom to ease the transition. I
    > just need some pointers or some good reccommended reading
    > materials on this behavior and the best way to go about adress
    > it.
    >
    > I have checked out mytoos and will continue to see what i can find
    > on there. I do have to say that there are a couple of members who
    > are a bit...strong in personality and I fear someone coming at me
    > as if i am a moron. This i don't need right now. I am dedicated
    > to this bird and want useful info, not critisizm.
    >
    > Thanks so much,
    > shawnee
    >
    >
    > On 5/24/09, Rick wrote:
    >> Just as yourself, we Rescue and have Rehabbed many. Here is one
    >> compared to yours.
    >>
    >> Upon Fostering a LSC from another Bird Foster, we were informed
    >> that the LSC was Male friendly only, thus the reason for the bird
    >> coming our way. Unfortunately, the bird had a mind of his own and
    >> decided to pick and choose who he wanted to be friendly with.
    >> Definitely did not like women at all, as it was apparant in it's
    >> last Foster home. I was chosen as his favorite, aka Mate in his
    >> eyes, as I was home most of the day and interacted with him
    > mainly.
    >>
    >> This bird would attack passerbiers,(only 2 of us in the home)
    >> bite, chase, leap onto you to get at you, etc. Just as you are
    >> describing. Not myself, but others who came in contact with me,
    >> whom the bird thought was a threat. He tried biting me if I was
    >> too close to someone. Other than that, he was the sweetest and
    >> most affectionate bird anyone could ask for. Sweet little talker.
    >> Although, he was a plucker.
    >>
    >> To make a long story short, this bird was evaluated and rehomed
    > to
    >> a SINGLE individual, as the bird was a perfect 1 on 1 bird. That
    >> was it! He was a very jealous, moreso insecure bird, that latched
    >> onto whomever he thought was he saviour. He did have issues with
    >> plucking as well. The original owner was a young man who went off
    >> to college, who had the bird for years, and the mother was left
    > to
    >> care for this bird. The bird hated her and vice-versa. Not real
    >> sure of any abuse issues.
    >>
    >> I can only guess that what your were told, as you stated, was the
    >> exact opposite of what the birds demeanor really is, somewhat.
    > But
    >> then again the bird may have taken on a total different attitude
    >> once going to new home. His little evilness came out. I have seen
    >> this happen before.
    >>
    >> We had recently (5 months ago)taken in a 20 year old U2 and he is
    >> still a work in progress. A bit calmer than what you are
    >> describing yours to be, but in the same breath, sometimes
    >> unpredictable with others, so we are always on guard with others
    >> in the house.
    >>
    >> It's odd that you say the bird likes you and your hubby, but not
    >> the kids. This would tell me, although there were kids in the
    >> home, that something had to have happened and even though the
    > kids
    >> were present, doesn't mean they interacted or got near the bird.
    >> Did you see or experience first hand any of the things she told
    >> you about the bird? As you say, telling you, they can say what
    >> they want.
    >>
    >> Good luck with this little guy, I completely sympathize with your
    >> situation. Hope all goes well. Patience and time is the best
    >> advice I can give at this point. As I mentioned before,
    > Mytoos.com
    >> is a great asset to anyone who owns Toos.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 5/24/09, Shawnee wrote:
    >>> When I inquired about this particular bird, I was told he was
    >>> great with kids as she had kids around her home. I have
    >>> raised hundreds of birds and had many which came to us with
    >>> behavioral problems. Maybe I had just gotten lucky but I have
    >>> never had a too with these issues. I know they can be
    >>> possessive and agression can be an issue. I know the damage
    >>> that the beaks can do. I would not just turn the children
    >>> loose with the bird and hope for the best. I understand
    >>> positive and negative reinforcement as well as the pecking
    >>> order with birds. Having a bird who will bite a stranger when
    >>> approached and having a bird to divebombs off of his cage are
    >>> two completely different things. I was told he would sit on
    >>> his gym all day and allow all passers by to greet him. I
    >>> guess bottom line is that I was told everything completely
    >>> opposite about him. I am not opposed to keeping the smaller
    >>> humans away from him. My kids are very animal savy and
    >>> understand that not all animals are friendly. it is the
    >>> chasing thing which is a larger issue. If i can deal with him
    >>> and get him to a managable point, I would be pleased.
    >>> Shawnee
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 5/23/09, Rick wrote:
    >>>> On 5/23/09, Shawnee wrote:
    >>>>> I have issues with an umbrella i recently adopted. He
    >>>>> loves me dearly and I can do anything with him. Everyone
    >>>>> else in the family, he hates with a passion and will
    >>>>> actually climb off of his cage to chase around the house.
    >>>>> I have lots of large bird experience but have never had
    >>>>> this level of possessiveness over me by a bird. I am
    >>>>> concerned as he is chasing my 2 year old and 7 year old.
    >>>>> They are not old enough or brave enough to be able to
    >>>>> handle such an issue. My husband can handle him but not
    >>>>> the kids. Can anyone suggest anything which may help? I
    >>>>> appreciate any advice.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> You state you have lots of large bird experience. What does
    >>>> this truly mean? Many of us here have lots of big bird
    >>>> experience, but also have common sense to go with it. Sorry
    >>> to
    >>>> be so blunt.
    >>>>
    >>>> You first concern is for your children, and in addition, the
    >>>> birds safety. With your lots of big bird experience, you then
    >>>> know that these birds can do much irreversible damage with
    >>>> their beaks.
    >>>>
    >>>> In conclusion, you have a highly jealous Bird on your hands.
    >>>> This is a very serious and potentially dangerous problem. I
    >>>> suggest you go to Mytoos.com and ask all the questions you
    >>> can
    >>>> regarding this problem. This is the ultimate Toos site for
    >>>> problem Toos.
    >>>>
    >>>> Another question for you. How much background do you have /
    >>>> came with this adopted bird. A reputable Rescue would not
    >>> have
    >>>> adopted this bird to you if he had shown aggression to
    >>>> children. Most don't adopt to families with small children
    >>>> because of the risk factors. So I am assuming you got this
    >>>> bird from an individual looking to rehome him.
    >>>>
    >>>> Please check out Mytoos.com. This would be your greatest
    >>> asset.