On 6/02/07, Lauren wrote:
> On 6/02/07, Xavier wrote:
>> YES, we did notice that B.P., the infamous flamboyant Chicago Hybrid Macaw Price Gouger
>> has since removed all of the prices for her hybrid macaw babies off of her internet ads
>> & website right around the same time that she first posted on this very same Camelot
>> macaw thread. Maybe she finally noticed that other vendors online, including several
>> professional parrot/macaw breeders and PETSHOPS, were selling the same kind of mixed up
>> species of hybrid macaw babies for hundreds of dollars less (actually a $1,000 less in
>> once case) then she has been promoting and blatantly pushing hers for. Perhaps she
>> thinks that because her birds are "vet checked" that they are worth more. BUT, her vet,
>> does nothing more than look at them, and never does cultures or labs. Those reports
>> never come with her health checks from him, because they simply DO NOT exist. He only
>> charges his clients $20 a pop, or less (depending upon eho they are) for his vet check
>> services, and at those prices, trust me, you do get what you pay for! I am not knocking
>> him, cause he is GREAT guy, who does a wonderful service and saves tons of money for
>> his thousands of clients. He is a well loved vet for what he does, which is primarily
>> service those cheap breeders who refuse to pay regular avian vet prices, for a thorough
>> work-up and exam. Her clients will tell you, she produces & sells defective birds, and
>> gets away with it by dropping this popular avian vet's name. Watch Out folks! In this
>> case, you DO NOT get what you pay for!!!
>> Further More, It is a well known fact that weaned baby hybrid macaw prices goes like
>> this -
>> You take the average price of a baby of each, or all, of the species involved the mix
>> to come up with your hyrid pricing. For instance, if a Scarlet baby sells for $1200 and
>> a Military baby for $700, then a Shamrock macaw baby sells for $950. that has always
>> been the delineator, regardless of how many generations they have been bred out.
>> And YES, it is ethically wrong to intentionally produce hybrid macaws solely for the
>> intent of material gain!
> Xavier, I'm not intereste in Macaws, hybrid or otherwise. I'm responding to
> your "impression" of Dr. Scott McDonald and the services he provides.
> There are many of us breeders who are not "cheap" and don't rely on him for actual
> medical services whatsoever. What we "cheap" breeders do use him for is his ability to
> offer surgical sexing. I can't speak for everyone, but I have an avian vet that I use
> locally and couldn't live without, who provides me with the labs, stains and general
> medical care, etc. that I need for my flock.
> There are some of us "cheap" breeders that like to offer our potential clients the
> ability to know the gender of the bird that they are purchasing. Actually, with me, no
> bird leaves my aviary without being surgically sexed and tattooed, or DNA tested by Avian
> Biotech when Dr. McDonald is not around.
> When you have large quantities of babies to sex, $10-15 dollars is a lot less expensive
> than $20 a pop from the labs.
> Again, I'm not questioning what some breeders might call an exam, but please know that
> Dr. McDonald provides an invaluable service to many of us "cheap" breeders.
Why would you put a bird through the stress of surgery when a DNA through blood is safer?