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Re: Why you shouldn't wing clip yet more info

Posted by Debbie on 8/30/05
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    HERE'S MY TWO CENTS WORTH ALSO :0) We must do whatever we feel
    comfortable with. Dont worry about saying what you think or trying to
    change any minds because we are all different in the way we do with
    our birds and everybody can do what they want plus get along as well.
    I have many birds and clip almost all of them to keep peace here in
    the house and not have the 10 birds in here on some other birds cage
    where they are not supposed to be, plus it just helps me more for a
    little more control with hand feeding the babies I raise from the
    outside UNCLIPPED birds. I have clipped a friends hand raised birds
    wings that were older than I clip mine and what a difference in their
    personality already. Mine were sweeter hers were brats and I'm not
    just saying that because they were mine ;0) My friend even noticed the
    difference in the birds without me saying anything to hurt her
    This is always a sore subject and it just shouldnt be.

    On 8/30/05, Lucy wrote:
    > I had read through this chain when it had first came out and have
    > been on in awhile, so if my danger had already came up, I am sorry
    > for mentioning it again (I didn't read every single post).
    > First of all, someone stated that someone who has seen a fully
    > flighted bird zooming aroung the house would never go back to
    > clipping. I have two conures that were fully flighted for years.
    > They had a cage but where never in it, they lived huge in a tree
    > was floor to ceiling in my living room that was so birdproof it was
    > pretty much barren of human comforts aside from a couch and a tv on
    > wheels that was only in there when we were. They flew with ease in
    > the big room that was sealed off with doors from the kitchen and all
    > other rooms. Life changed and we had to move, our new apt was no
    > longer suitable. The conures were clipped and are happier then
    > ever. They never shunned us for taking away their flight, they
    > adapted. They now live in a cage when we are not home, they put on
    > sweet voices when they want to be moved to a new perch, etc... They
    > are extremely bonded to each other and very tame, were they so
    > unhappy with our decision they could have easily ceased to interact
    > with us.
    > I have a Grey also, that came into my life while at the new place.
    > decided to prepare a "padded room" for him and allow him some extra
    > flight time before giving him his first clip. Having a medium bird
    > like a Grey flying indoors cannot be compared to a small bird like a
    > Conure, and I dread to imagine a fully flighted Macaw in the average
    > American home. Which brings me to the danger, that I did not see
    > posted.
    > Doorsways, hallways and archways (I think that is the term for a
    > doorway with no door). The average American doorway connot even
    > contain the fully outstreched wingspan of a a large Macaw. Sure a
    > bird can learn to manoever itself right and make it through safely,
    > but all it takes is one distraction. Which brings me to the story
    > a bird club member's missmarked Green Wing. "My friend" was in the
    > kitchen chopping fruit for the bird's routine breakfast. A phone
    > call distracted my friend, and the bird got impatient and exited.
    > flew to the kitchen and clipped its wings on the sides of the
    > at full speed (no pun intended). The bird had flown through
    > of times, this time I suppose his focus was more on the prize then
    > the path. He was not killed but badly ingured. Some people say
    > a properly clipped bird looks mutilated or butchered. How would
    > have described this poor Macaw, or another bird that had been
    > involved in an accident at full speed... NOW THAT IS MUTILATION.
    > would they decribe these birds if they saw them if one of the most
    > intense words in the human language had already been used to
    > a properly clipped wing?
    > I understand how they might disagree because it is taking away the
    > essence of the bird. We all take away from our birds. If one
    > beleives that a bird should be a bird... what is it doing in one's
    > home? Clipped or not, we are all guilty of taking the birdness away
    > from our birds. Their ancestors went through hell and back to
    > provide us with the birds we have today. We cannot take back what
    > other people did to them, the best we can do is provide our birds
    > with a safe healthy home within our means. To some people this
    > clipping, this by no means makes them bad caregivers. So I don't
    > even see why there is a debate about it. People are only providing
    > the safest life they can. So, should one decide not to clip, I hope
    > reason # 1, 2 and 3 would be because the owner has the means for
    > flight. How many birds have been lost because simply "giving the
    > bird his birdness" came first?