On 8/15/06, Sue wrote:
> On 8/15/06, Sonoma wrote:
>> On 8/15/06, Tammy Faye wrote:
>>> what Fran has
>>> said is legitimate and very real in the world of birds.
>> And you expect me to take her point of view more seriously simply
>> because you say so? What I have said is that I do not agree with
>> Fran's idea about weaning regression no matter how many people
>> agree with her. The evidence you have presented simply does not
>> meet the criteria threshold that I demand to change my opinion on
>> the subject. Sorry.
>> Weaning regression is a load of crap. That is my opinion. Someone
>> else may agree with me and others may disagree. It is not a crime
>> to disagree with someone, you know?
>> You will have the choice of either reading what I write or
>> ignoring what I write. Either way, I may disagree with any opinion
>> if I choose to do so.
>>> Feel free, at any time, to jump right in and tell us of your
>>> knowledge and EXPERIENCE when it comes to hand feeding and
>>> raising birds.
>> I have no need to prove anything to you nor anyone else in order
>> to have a valid opinion on any subject. Birds are able to breed on
>> their own and the act of "breeding" birds is a superfluous act
>> unless you are introducing some different strain to effect the
>> offspring in such a way as to cause an improvement in color,
>> disease resistance, or some other desired outcome such as breeding
>> a rare or endangered species that is having trouble breeding in
>> the wild due to habitat destruction. Just placing birds in proper
>> breeding environments is not such a highly skilled thing nor does
>> it have any significance to ME in regards to knowledge much above
>> the average bird owner.
>>> When you are potty training or weaning a child from using a
>>> bottle or wearing a diaper, you don't decide that on a certain
>>> day the diaper will come off and the bottle will be put away
>>> whether or not the child is capable of handling the termination
>>> of either of these things.
>> Well if you don't at some point, you will raise a very disturbed
>> child (in my opinion). Once the child is capable of feeding itself
>> and is potty trained there should be no regression to infant
>> behavior. To do so can seriously undermine the child's development.
>> It happens, sure. That is one reason there is the need for
>> psychiatrists in the society. That is also one reason (in my
>> opinion) for their being many birds who pluck, especially
>> To observe this idea in action, all one has to do is go to a pet
>> store and pickup a Goffin or any other Cockatoo and discover the
>> animal will allow hands all over its body with hardly no
>> introductory period involved. When one tries to handle other birds
>> in that manner that do not know the person, it usually involves a
>> bit of spilled blood of the handler depending on the bird's size
>> and the handler's actions to win the trust of that particular bird
>> before approaching it.
>> That is what is called empirical evidence in science circles. It
>> always works that way and it will work that way for anybody. It is
>> not affected by the handler being an experienced bird breeder or
>> someone who has never actually touched a bird before with their
>> own hands. it happens because that is the way Cockatoos are.
>>> ...Much like children who develop and different rates and "wean"
>>> themselves when the time is right, so too do baby birds.
>> They may develop at different times according to age, but once
>> weaned, regression is not a good idea (again - in my opinion).
>>> Until you speak from experience and not out of your rear end,
>>> please refrain from commenting on thing that you obviously are
>>> ignorant to the fact or you can't find in your Wikipedia on-line
>>> Ms. Baker
>> I do speak from experience. I have more than sixty years
>> experience. Experience does not have to be specific in order to
>> draw conclusions. Since you like analogies as well, here is one
>> for you on the point of experience....
>> If you are told as a child a stove is hot and it will be painful
>> if you touch it with your bare hands, you might very well touch it
>> anyway to see if that is true. It does not take long to learn that
>> when a person much older than you and a parent tells you such
>> things, it is likely to be true.
>> When that same parent tells you to look both ways before you cross
>> a road because an oncoming car can kill you accidentally, you are
>> not likely at that stage of development (old enough to cross a
>> highway on your own) to test that premise by dashing out into
>> traffic to see if it will indeed kill you or not. You have learned
>> to believe in certain things and certain people.
>> As you become a mature adult, you have no reasons to doubt things
>> that you read if the source is known to not only be trustworthy
>> but correlates to other things you have experienced and know to be
>> true. At some point in life (if you are a thinking individual) you
>> tend to even expand that experience into such things as abstract
>> concepts and philosophies. At this point in development, it is
>> valid for you to state your opinions and beliefs and conclusions
>> on any subject.
>> Unless there is significant evidence to point to your having
>> misunderstood on a wide variety of topics and experience during
>> your lifetime, then it is unlikely you will change your mind.
>> And thank you for reading the Ex oticbirds.US/forum/ as a guest.
>> You have admitted it by using my favorite nickname of "BOA" as
>> that is the only known place I currently post that nickname as I
>> recall. Feel free to join there as a member if you find it
>> interesting. You should be aware, though, that you must behave as
>> that is a moderated and friendly forum. Doing things like
>> insulting people by turning their nickname into something the
>> acronym does not stand for will most likely not be tolerated by
>> the webmaster there but you can test his judgment there if you
>> Tammy Faye Baker. Ha! Now that I find very humorous. Good one. I
>> can just see the mascara flowing down your cheeks in my mind. BTW,
>> it is spelled Tammy Faye Bakker. Has PTL gone Buddhist now? :)
> I also own a goffins and several other cockatoos-they are very needy
> birds. But if this baby is begging, it certainly wouldn't hurt to
> give it something warm like hot monkey biscuits or formula. It may
> be going through an adjusting period. I hope I spelled all of the
> words correctly and my grammar was okay--I guess I'll find out if I
The Goffin Cockatoo is nortorious for refering back after weaned
when moved to a differant home or setting. This particular species
can fool a breeder thinking he is weaned. What will help this
situation is allowing to fledge and try to keep the bird in a similar
setting like cage color and size.