Re: Too Possessive Umbrella
Posted by val on 7/30/09
On 5/24/09, Rick wrote:
> Yes, Mytoos members are / can be very aggressive and opinionating to
> say the least. Sometimes a little more than I like, but they truly
> have the birds welfare as top priority there.
> As I sit here reading your comments, I am having flashbacks when the
> LSC was with us. It was a roller coaster of emotions at times, to say
> the least. The other person in our house was bitten / attacked 4 times
> in the first week. In order to give the bird the out of cage time it
> needed got to be a endless chore. When I was the only person home was
> he allowed out with no concerns. The tension was building within the
> household, and keeping others out of harms way, always being on guard.
> Needless to say, this bird wasn't welcomed with open arms by all. We
> spoke with a Bird Behaviorist from Chicago and did receive some
> helpful tips, but by this time others were not as enthused as I to
> help turn this bird around. In fact, I had to place the bird in an
> area where no one would pass in front of or near to avoid the
> pouncing. But we learned that this bird needed only to be around 1
> person, therefore when he was placed, he went to a single individual.
> I commend you for sticking it out. This behavior can be very
> frightening. You don't expect to be chased through your house by a
> blood thirsty Vulture.
> One of the techniques we used via the behaviorist was to let the
> person getting attacked have more contact with the bird than yourself.
> Give the treats, taking out of cage and interacting more with him. You
> on the other hand would limit your contact with bird, only to put the
> bird in it's cage at night and an occasional interaction. The
> justification behind this is to let the bird see the other person as a
> "good person" and not as a threat to him.
> This did seem to work for us.
> We also found out that our LSC was suffering from separation
> anxieties. So I would also suggest limiting your travel time for now.
> Let your bird have his alone time. Your bird needs to not be allowed
> to have separation anxiety issues. Remember, the more attention you
> give them turns into little monsters in the long run. Let the training
> begin with you and your hubby and then progress with the kids. I know
> there is so much to tell you, I hoped this has helped shed some light
> on your situation. Best of luck. Please keep me posted.
> Thanks, Rick
> On 5/24/09, Shawnee wrote:
>> Thanks Rick, I appreciate you taking the time. I have talked
>> with the 'rescue' who i got him from and she is refusing to refund
>> any money to me at this time but has offered another bird. I am
>> not as interested in another bird, i really want to find a way to
>> see what can be done with this guy.
>> I know they are noisy and cranky, i knew all of this before
>> getting him. The noise and all really does not bother me. I have
>> had toos before and dealt with many. Always had great
>> relationships with them. this guy has definately chosen me and
>> although I do avoid all behaviors on my part, he does think i am
>> his mate. I avoid petting in the wrong places and affection is
>> something he gets alot of, when i initiate it. I have
>> been 'standing guard' while others are near him and that seems to
>> be working a little. He has drawn blood from mny husband's face
>> when the bird lunged at him but he needs to be able to at least be
>> able to be moved from place to place from someone other than me.
>> We both work from home so the bird is getting plenty of
>> companionship. he travels with us in our vehicle and is in sight
>> of us most of the day. when he first came here, he slept in a
>> smaller cage at night in our bedroom to ease the transition. I
>> just need some pointers or some good reccommended reading
>> materials on this behavior and the best way to go about adress
>> I have checked out mytoos and will continue to see what i can find
>> on there. I do have to say that there are a couple of members who
>> are a bit...strong in personality and I fear someone coming at me
>> as if i am a moron. This i don't need right now. I am dedicated
>> to this bird and want useful info, not critisizm.
>> Thanks so much,
>> On 5/24/09, Rick wrote:
>>> Just as yourself, we Rescue and have Rehabbed many. Here is one
>>> compared to yours.
>>> Upon Fostering a LSC from another Bird Foster, we were informed
>>> that the LSC was Male friendly only, thus the reason for the bird
>>> coming our way. Unfortunately, the bird had a mind of his own and
>>> decided to pick and choose who he wanted to be friendly with.
>>> Definitely did not like women at all, as it was apparant in it's
>>> last Foster home. I was chosen as his favorite, aka Mate in his
>>> eyes, as I was home most of the day and interacted with him
>>> This bird would attack passerbiers,(only 2 of us in the home)
>>> bite, chase, leap onto you to get at you, etc. Just as you are
>>> describing. Not myself, but others who came in contact with me,
>>> whom the bird thought was a threat. He tried biting me if I was
>>> too close to someone. Other than that, he was the sweetest and
>>> most affectionate bird anyone could ask for. Sweet little talker.
>>> Although, he was a plucker.
>>> To make a long story short, this bird was evaluated and rehomed
>>> a SINGLE individual, as the bird was a perfect 1 on 1 bird. That
>>> was it! He was a very jealous, moreso insecure bird, that latched
>>> onto whomever he thought was he saviour. He did have issues with
>>> plucking as well. The original owner was a young man who went off
>>> to college, who had the bird for years, and the mother was left
>>> care for this bird. The bird hated her and vice-versa. Not real
>>> sure of any abuse issues.
>>> I can only guess that what your were told, as you stated, was the
>>> exact opposite of what the birds demeanor really is, somewhat.
>>> then again the bird may have taken on a total different attitude
>>> once going to new home. His little evilness came out. I have seen
>>> this happen before.
>>> We had recently (5 months ago)taken in a 20 year old U2 and he is
>>> still a work in progress. A bit calmer than what you are
>>> describing yours to be, but in the same breath, sometimes
>>> unpredictable with others, so we are always on guard with others
>>> in the house.
>>> It's odd that you say the bird likes you and your hubby, but not
>>> the kids. This would tell me, although there were kids in the
>>> home, that something had to have happened and even though the
>>> were present, doesn't mean they interacted or got near the bird.
>>> Did you see or experience first hand any of the things she told
>>> you about the bird? As you say, telling you, they can say what
>>> they want.
>>> Good luck with this little guy, I completely sympathize with your
>>> situation. Hope all goes well. Patience and time is the best
>>> advice I can give at this point. As I mentioned before,
>>> is a great asset to anyone who owns Toos.
>>> On 5/24/09, Shawnee wrote:
>>>> When I inquired about this particular bird, I was told he was
>>>> great with kids as she had kids around her home. I have
>>>> raised hundreds of birds and had many which came to us with
>>>> behavioral problems. Maybe I had just gotten lucky but I have
>>>> never had a too with these issues. I know they can be
>>>> possessive and agression can be an issue. I know the damage
>>>> that the beaks can do. I would not just turn the children
>>>> loose with the bird and hope for the best. I understand
>>>> positive and negative reinforcement as well as the pecking
>>>> order with birds. Having a bird who will bite a stranger when
>>>> approached and having a bird to divebombs off of his cage are
>>>> two completely different things. I was told he would sit on
>>>> his gym all day and allow all passers by to greet him. I
>>>> guess bottom line is that I was told everything completely
>>>> opposite about him. I am not opposed to keeping the smaller
>>>> humans away from him. My kids are very animal savy and
>>>> understand that not all animals are friendly. it is the
>>>> chasing thing which is a larger issue. If i can deal with him
>>>> and get him to a managable point, I would be pleased.
>>>> On 5/23/09, Rick wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/09, Shawnee wrote:
>>>>>> I have issues with an umbrella i recently adopted. He
>>>>>> loves me dearly and I can do anything with him. Everyone
>>>>>> else in the family, he hates with a passion and will
>>>>>> actually climb off of his cage to chase around the house.
>>>>>> I have lots of large bird experience but have never had
>>>>>> this level of possessiveness over me by a bird. I am
>>>>>> concerned as he is chasing my 2 year old and 7 year old.
>>>>>> They are not old enough or brave enough to be able to
>>>>>> handle such an issue. My husband can handle him but not
>>>>>> the kids. Can anyone suggest anything which may help? I
>>>>>> appreciate any advice.
>>>>> You state you have lots of large bird experience. What does
>>>>> this truly mean? Many of us here have lots of big bird
>>>>> experience, but also have common sense to go with it. Sorry
>>>>> be so blunt.
>>>>> You first concern is for your children, and in addition, the
>>>>> birds safety. With your lots of big bird experience, you then
>>>>> know that these birds can do much irreversible damage with
>>>>> their beaks.
>>>>> In conclusion, you have a highly jealous Bird on your hands.
>>>>> This is a very serious and potentially dangerous problem. I
>>>>> suggest you go to Mytoos.com and ask all the questions you
>>>>> regarding this problem. This is the ultimate Toos site for
>>>>> problem Toos.
>>>>> Another question for you. How much background do you have /
>>>>> came with this adopted bird. A reputable Rescue would not
>>>>> adopted this bird to you if he had shown aggression to
>>>>> children. Most don't adopt to families with small children
>>>>> because of the risk factors. So I am assuming you got this
>>>>> bird from an individual looking to rehome him.
>>>>> Please check out Mytoos.com. This would be your greatest
Can I ask what state you live in ? I do parrot rescue. And I have had
problems like this before. I am rehabbing an umbrella right now that is
the same way. I worry about your kids, they are not old enough to handle
a bite from a cockatoo. Please email me I will see if I can help you.