Re: Lovebird Mules
Posted by Kelly on 9/27/06
On 9/26/06, Dave wrote:
> On 9/26/06, Clyve wrote:
>> They are not mules. They are hybrids. Frowned upon by
>> those who appreciate pure bloodlines, and are against
>> creating new mutations. Mainly because the lines are muddied
>> and color combinations not as striking on the norm.
>> However, it's happened in natural as well as controlled
>> environments for many years. Nobody has proven that these
>> combinations are not able to produce their own offspring.
>> Masked and Fischers have been put together by many.
>> What do you plan to do with the babies? Will you continue to
>> allow them to colonize and breed with the rest?
> I am one of those 'purists" but I have many more reasons for
> taking on the label of 'purist'.
> Yes, your chicks are now hybrids, not mules.
> """"""What are the reasons why mules are frowned upon? What
> Charistics do do
> They portray? Is there a risk of getting deformities or
> What should I expect? How should we handle our mis matches?""""
> First of all, Much more important than ' muddied up' the most
> important thing to know is that different species and
> subspecies of lovebirds and other different species and
> subspecies of parrots have different personalities. There is no
> guarantee concerning the personality of intermixed parrots nor
> is the color of the offspring . Personality problems in itself
> can possibly cause later problems. This also applies to other
> types of parrots. With certain parrots, no matter how hard it's
> tried, breeding is impossible but with other species of parrots
> interbreeding is possible. When it is possible to do that the
> main reason is a more beautiful and colorful bird. It's not a
> good idea to breed birds that have different personalities and
> it has to do with possible medical conditions, possible
> aggressive behavior, self mutalations and other situations that
> are possibly detrimental not only to the bird but also to new
> owners who have to eventually have to deal with these problems.
> Sopmetimes, nothing will happen and sometimes things will
> happen either good or bad. It's a coin toss. Just because it
> can be done by parrot owners doesn't mean that it's a good idea
> to do it.
> """""""However, it's happened in natural as well as controlled
> Environments for many years."""""""
> There is absolutely no scientific proof that any species and
> sub species of lovebirds will mate with each other in the wild.
> There is no scientific proof that a B/G macaw will mate with a
> scarlet macaw in the wild but it can be accomplished when
> people are involved. That applies to all macaws and many
> problems have been created by the interbreeding of these macaws
> by interbreeding.
> There is no scientific proof that in the wild, a double yellow
> headed amazon will mate with yellow crowned amazon or a yellow
> naped amazon. Nor will any other subspecies of amazon try to
> mate with another subspecies of amazon and it can't be
> accomplished even when people try to pull that off.
> There is no scientific proof that a certain grey cockatiel will
> mate with any other type of cockatiel in the wild. All
> cockatiel hybrids were created by people.
> In the wild there is no scientific proof that different species
> and subspecies of finches will mate with each other. It can be
> done by people but that doesn't make it right. The same thing
> applies to canaries.
> In the wild there is no scientific proof that a Lesser Sulpher
> Cockatoo will mate with a Greater Sulpher Cockatoo even though
> they look like twins of each other.
> In the wild there's no scientific proof that a Congo african
> grey will try to mate with a Timneh african grey. It's been
> tried by people but very little success has occurred.
> There's nothing wrong with selling your lovebird chicks but the
> responsible thing to do is tell potential owners that future
> breeding of those chicks isn't a good idea because of the
> unknown that possibly lurks by doing that.-----Dave
Thankyou for your input. We have 6 adult lovebirds, and they
paired themselves up the way they did. None of them went with
their intented partners, so we decided to let nature run it's
course. I guess it's a little expirement. Feel free to offer up
any input on our pairs. If we should expect problems from any of
their offspring, please let me know. Please understand that we
fully intend to let the future owners know what kinds the babies
are. To be completely honest, I have my doubts about how purebred
ours even are. We obtained them illegally, from a woman who was
crossbreeding them, and having them shipped in straight from other
countries. She told us she thought it would be funny if they
didn't take to their intended parteners, and that's what happened.
She absolutely did not warn us about mules, or pure bloodlines.
After we made the purchases, we researched and found out that when
coming straight from other countries, their are great health risks
for both us and the birds. We had to quarentine them. Lucky for
us, they were all healthy